Episode Transcript
Speaker 1 00:00:23 What's up everybody? This is Sam with the Rowdy Alternative Podcast. Tonight we have Palmer Anthony, uh, out of Fort Worth, uh, singer songwriter. We're gonna get into all that. How you doing, man?
Speaker 2 00:00:36 I'm good, dude. I'm, uh, I'm enjoying a little Monday off and, uh, just hanging out. Just hanging out. Thanks for having
Speaker 1 00:00:42 Me. Yeah, no problem, man. Where are you at right now? Where are you playing?
Speaker 2 00:00:46 Uh, in Fort Worth right now. And then, uh, this weekend we're in Orange Grove, Texas, which is in the southern part of the state. And then, um, heading up to Amarillo the next night. Uh, so, uh, we're the Orange Grove with Casey Donahue, and then Amarillo is a headline, so,
Speaker 1 00:01:01 Oh, hell yeah.
Speaker 2 00:01:02 Hang hanging local this week.
Speaker 1 00:01:04 You just got back from Nashville, right?
Speaker 2 00:01:06 I was in Nashville last week. We were there, uh, when we were there. Um, I guess it was Monday through Thursday.
Speaker 1 00:01:16 Okay.
Speaker 2 00:01:17 Yeah.
Speaker 1 00:01:18 Get some, uh, get some song writing done. What'd y'all do out there?
Speaker 2 00:01:23 You know, man, it was actually, I was just, I was a part of, uh, the Neil Agency takeover. Um, we just, uh, signed with them, actually. And, uh, we were part of Little Takeovers with, um, Bailey Zimmerman, uh, Josh Ross, Ella Langley, um, John Morgan. Yeah. And, uh, I'm trying to think. Ashton Craft was there. Uh, yeah, it was, it was a cool group of, um, folks from the, they had the younger crew from the new agency, and, uh, it was a really cool takeover at, uh, sixth and Peabody.
Speaker 1 00:01:56 Okay. Yeah. Sweet. Yeah. Uh, Ella is great. She's, she's fantastic. I didn't you play a, did you play Whiskey Jam too?
Speaker 2 00:02:04 Uh, not this week. I've played a couple times, but, uh, I went there. I went and watched on, uh, I think it was Monday.
Speaker 1 00:02:10 Okay, sweet. Um,
Speaker 2 00:02:12 Yeah. But, uh, no, it was, it was a good time. And I, I, now Nashville is, I, I, what I'd say is I kind of use it as like, I, I respect the beast of Nashville, you know? Yeah. And I, and I, and I work with the Beast. Um, but, uh, my trips are pretty short. Usually it take three days to go in there. Um, about once a month right now, uh, still just kind of feeling like tourings where we hang our hat the most. Yep. And I think that, uh, that's kinda where we spend the majority of our time is on the road. And then, you know, but as much as I can, I, when it, since we've taken on, like, you know, meeting with a new agency and now we're working on some publishing things, it's, it, I definitely like wanna get there more, but I want it to be productive, you know, I don't wanna just like, go there and, and just drink. Cause it's super easy to do that. <laugh>.
Speaker 1 00:03:01 Yeah. <laugh>. I know. Um, but hell yeah, man. Thanks for having, like I say, thanks for being on here. You've, I think you've been around the raise Rowdy family for a while now, I believe. Um, yeah. I think before I even got in touch with you, apparently you've been hitting it up with us, so Yeah. It's nice to have you on. Um, I guess let's, let's start with the basics, man. Uh, when it all started, you were, uh, born in California, right?
Speaker 2 00:03:28 I was born in California. Um, and I was there until like, my late teens and moved to Texas. Um, and then, uh, been back to California for college for two years down in Southern California and then back Texas again. And then, uh, when I was like 21, uh, I guess I was, I was almost 21. I moved to Nashville and I was there for two years, and I always stayed that, that was a very formative, uh, couple years from man. Like, I, I, I didn't, I went there so green, I didn't like play music beforehand. Yeah. Uh, I played baseball and I thought that's kinda what the thing was. I also was like a film major in college, so I thought I was gonna do some kind of filmmaking stuff and, um, just wasn't the case. And really just kind of fell outta love with both those things and turned to music.
Speaker 2 00:04:17 And it was super random for everybody around me, <laugh> and honestly for myself too. Um, but really just got drawn to songwriting. But when I moved to Nashville, man, I didn't have, like, I think I had three songs to my name, and they're horrible <laugh>. Um, but, you know, I did the thing in Nashville. I did a bunch of random stuff. I played in people's bands. I, um, was, um, an assistant in some studios, um, bartended, worked at a golf course, did like all these odd jobs in Nashville when I was there for about two and a half years. And, and, um, you know, really just was trying to understand the industry. I think. I think looking back, I thought I was doing something. I thought I was like, really? You know, here I am, like once a week I wrote half a song. Like, oh, yeah.
Speaker 2 00:05:01 You know, I had no idea. There's people down on music road writing, you know, four or five a week sometimes. Um, so I mean, I think that, uh, those two and a half years were super formative as just getting to know the industry. Yeah. Uh, but then I moved back, well, it took me, moved back to Texas to, to really, uh, start an artist's career. I think. Um, I recorded some songs, some demos in Nashville, but I, I don't think it was so moved back Texas that it started to make sense and kind of find a lane, or at least find a sound that I liked, you know? So,
Speaker 1 00:05:36 So what, what, what was that to you? You said you had to find your sound and you wanted, when you got back to Texas, that's when like, you found your, like, artistry. So like, can you describe like that feeling you got? Like, or like, when you knew like, okay, this was the right move, this is what I want to do.
Speaker 2 00:05:52 Yeah. I mean, I really think it came down to, um, making enough mistakes or, or creating enough things that just didn't work. Mm-hmm. <affirmative> either they didn't work, uh, online or they just didn't work for me. Okay. And, uh, it took a lot, it took years of that, you know, I'm, uh, I've been doing this for six years and everyone's, it's funny cause people are like, oh, like the new guy. And I'm like, I guess like you call, I mean, there's, there's people who knew a whole lot longer, but, you know, for me it was, it was making a whole lot of mistakes mm-hmm. <affirmative>, uh, whether it was production or songwriting. And, and it took, there was a couple songs, uh, our song Meet Me in Texas. This was one that was written early in my career. And I think that was when I was, when I, when we finished that one, I was like, man, I like this sound.
Speaker 2 00:06:40 Um, and I recorded it in Texas and once I got that track back, that was kinda the one I was like, all right, I like this. It's like kinda rock, uh, still at the country, songwriting to it. And, you know, that was the sound that I think that drew me to my artistry, I would say. Yeah. Uh, there was, and there's songs I've written recently that I go, that is a flagship song to say, you know, that that's one that I would like, like for instance, sleep My Mind In You is a song that we have out. And that's one that I feel like as a songwriter I was really proud of, you know? Yep. And then, uh, production wise, I'd like to have it sound, there's a lot of slide guitar and that kind of stuff and Right. Um, but that doesn't stop me from experimenting at the same time, you know? Yeah. Uh, I think I have like a full on pop punk song called Happy for You. Yeah. And, uh, that's one of my favorite songs to play and, you know, and just to have out there, I love Pop Punk and I love the rock element of stuff, and I don't wanna lose that in our sound, even though it doesn't really fit some, some areas, you know? Yeah.
Speaker 1 00:07:43 And that's the interesting thing, especially now when you look at guys like CO and all them guys who are real big out of Texas. Like, it's like a big shift that just in the last couple years I've seen at least of like, yeah, rock is like, almost, it's mostly like rock and roll now coming outta Texas, which is awesome. Seeing people experiment, you know, like whether it fits a certain sound or not seeing people experiment is always interesting. And you, um, sorry, but, uh, I'll on No, no, Western and roll your last album. Um, I know you had a few, the names escaped me, but I know you have a, had a few, uh, rock songs on there. There's like straight up Rock that I remember listening to. I'm like, damn. Like he could pull it off. So like, and I'm a big rock guy. Like I, I know Razor Roddy is mainly a country thing, but I really am more of a rock guy. So it was really cool hearing that
Speaker 2 00:08:37 Dude as far as me Up man. Cause honestly like, that really came from the live show. I think. Uh, I have a really great band and, um, and they really have truly helped shape our sound mm-hmm. <affirmative>. Um, but I really think playing, we started, I started writing some songs that maybe could have been steered a little country, you know? Yeah. And we bought 'em to, I brought 'em to my band and then, and they're kind of all like, rock guys, really. Mm-hmm. <affirmative>. Um, one was kind of more of a country or sounding thing, but even the country guy plays flag guitar. So we were like, man, let's make this show bigger. You know, we don't wanna just have these kind of, we like the laid back stuff sometimes, but we wanna balance it. Um, and our set is, I always say our set is truly what our sound is.
Speaker 2 00:09:21 And, and that, that album title was kind of random. Yeah. Uh, but I truly think that if someone asks what my music is, I would say it's Western Roll. I would literally say that now because it's half, you know, country western, it's half rock and roll mm-hmm. <affirmative>. And I wouldn't claim to ever be like, truly rock and roll cause I respect rock and roll too much to do that <laugh>. Um, but I, I think that we have the elements that, uh, you come see us play, man. It's just like, we know, um, we, I think we do it justice enough as way I would describe it. Uh, but there's, and I, there's gonna be a lot more stuff like that, that we have four songs in the chamber, uh, right now. Um, and two of 'em are country and two of 'em are rockier. So, uh, I'm excited for both. I, I love both. So,
Speaker 1 00:10:08 Yeah, man, it's, it's interesting you say that about like, the live shows, your actual sound, because I, to an extent, I think like if you're really gonna judge a band or an artist, you gotta see him live like before a hundred percent before you make any kind of like, judgment, just listening to him, you gotta see him live.
Speaker 2 00:10:25 Yeah. And that, that's honestly been like, I would say, a good thing and a bad thing. And like, you know, being fully transparent, there's a lot of times where we get caught up in the numbers. Mm. You know, and we go, oh, we have this many monthly listeners, or this many that, or this many. And dude, I mean, like, it's, it does mess with your head a little bit because sometimes when you hear a song, you know, maybe a song streams really well and you go, well, I gotta chase that sound now, you know? Right. But, and then you go to a show and you see a completely different song resonate. Uh, for me it is sometimes like that pop punk song that Happy for You song I have mm-hmm. <affirmative>, it's, it didn't, it never has streamed well at all. Um, but we go play it live. And I get all the time to be like, that's my favorite song. And I'm like, okay, then how's not stream? Well, you know, and that it's just, it's tough. It's a tough, like, inner battle for me and for our band because we get so excited to play live and then it doesn't perform the same. Whereas the song we don't think we enjoy to play live as much performs way better. So it's a tough like, you know, battle there. Yeah.
Speaker 1 00:11:29 I could say, at least from my experience, that one's definitely, it might be my favorite one, <laugh>, I think from you. That's cool. But because like, it was just so different cuz like, I was just starting to get to know your music and like, you know, like I was going back to, you know, the earlier stuff to now I'm like, okay, this is different. And it is, I love hearing different stuff like that. And on the other side of the coin, your newest release, um, nobody's Got It Better. That is equally great. Like, I heard the beginning of that, like with the, what was it like? Was it like a
Speaker 2 00:12:02 So it's, it is a, it is a resonated guitar like slide kind of resonated on it. Uh, and it it's very, it's like almost bluegrassy. Yeah.
Speaker 1 00:12:09 And that, and I'm, I'm a Kentucky boy, so like I heard that, I'm like, okay, I I I fuck with this. So <laugh>. Yeah.
Speaker 2 00:12:15 Yeah, dude. I mean, like, that's the thing. I, I, I was trying experiment. Uh, but again, it's one of those things people like listen to that and be like, well, how are you gonna play happy for you? And nobody's got better in the same set. I'd be like, come find out and we'll show you. Yeah. You know, because we, we have the, we have like a five piece, including myself and, you know, I got a guy who is more of a utility guy. He can play like slide guitar, banjo, like, uh, uh, pedal steel harmonica. And the other guy's just like got these heavy rock tones mm-hmm. <affirmative> so we can, we can emulate both. Uh, and I, I just, again, I always, I always push people to the live show because we take a lot of pride in it and got band practice tomorrow and night. Like, we, we, you know, we, we want, we want people to hear the music and then go, wow, that show was even better than I heard the music on. You know?
Speaker 1 00:13:06 Right. So, uh, when it comes to, like, since we're talking about your band, is it the same, uh, personnel you got at your live shows and in the studio?
Speaker 2 00:13:16 So not, uh, one of my players, uh, one of the guitar players has played on a couple things mm-hmm. <affirmative>. Um, but I use a group of guys and the thing that it gets a little tough is, is we're, we're still at the stage, but we gotta do things, uh, cost effective mm-hmm. <affirmative>, you know, and for, I mean, there would be a time when it would be, it would be cost effective. I, if I owned like my own studio, I would just have my, my band guys are great. I would have 'em all come in and we'd record there, but I have to like, travel to East Texas usually to record. And basically they have a little, it's, it's really, it's Aaron Watson's band. Oh. And, uh, they come into Tyler, Texas, east Texas, and they'll record a bunch of songs in a row.
Speaker 2 00:14:02 Um, and then they'll come do like, overdubs and like, you know, record more stuff later. But we don't really do a lot of the record. I just kind of go sing there, basically mm-hmm. <affirmative>. So I'll go, I'll, I'll say, here's what I'm thinking. And then they'll send me some like, references and we just kind of piece it together. I've done the, the in band studio stuff, and that works for some people, you know? Right. That's like all Chris Stapleton does is the live in band thing. It, I don't think it really works for me. And I, I think that's truly because of the time constraints at, at the time. Sure. Because sometimes what works for that crew doesn't work for me. They do some stuff on like weekdays and I'm out of town. And, um, but I also, there is, there's a, there's still, I still get a feeling, uh, when I get a song back and like, maybe, cuz usually when I go to sing, it's just all they have down is the acoustic guitar and I'm, and I'm singing in time, basically. Right. But there's still something special, uh, about getting, you know, a first mix back. Um, and I still get really excited about that. And I think I eventually I move to the in, in-person band thing, but for now I just, we just kind of sh I do my vocals and they ship it back to me. So
Speaker 1 00:15:11 That's a really crazy thing to think about if you like. Yeah. Because like, I, a lot of people probably don't know how that, they all think, like the old days, they'd have the whole band in, they'd at the, at one time just like all recording, everyone has a microphone in front of them and there's a, so I think a lot of people didn't really know that. I just now learned about that recently. But I mean, it can, if it works for you, great. And like you said, it's efficient if you can't be in at the same time as anyone else. People have traveling constraints. So
Speaker 2 00:15:45 Yeah. It really comes down to like, it's hard to get eight people together at, you know, a one time. If it was my band, it'd be different. Um, yeah. I mean we're, we're still learning. We're still tinkering. Um, it's really handy to have a studio like that in Texas. And, and the thing is though, you know, I will, we'll take videos. Uh, I would say all the releases that I have out as of recent is because instead of saying like random reference tracks mm-hmm. <affirmative> of other artists, we just practice the song, go play it live. My, my band comes up with the parts and we video it and send it to the producer. Oh. So tho those guys are insanely talented and they'll, they'll kind of amp it up and do put their own little flavor to it. Yeah. But, you know, songs like my probably last three or four releases, uh, minus nobody's got it better, but like the other other stuff, it's been videos of my band and we send those off and that just gives 'em a good place to start cuz they, that my band does help shape a lot of our sound in that sense.
Speaker 1 00:16:47 Well, that's good then. I mean, it's a team effort.
Speaker 2 00:16:50 Yeah. It's like they're not in the studio, but they are have, they are kind of making parts, if that makes sense. Right.
Speaker 1 00:16:55 Uh, here I wanted to ask you, and this is going back to like where you're from and everything. Do you Yeah. Do you think that, um, you know how there's like a California country sound like the Bakersfield sound? Kinda Yeah. Do you consider yourself to have a bit of inspiration from that? Cuz when I listen to your stuff, I get a little hint of like the, I don't wanna, what, what kind of word to describes like, breeziness, almost like, kinda like a Dwight Yoakum kind of deal?
Speaker 2 00:17:21 Yeah. So my dad, he was a huge Dwight Yoakum fan. Oh. <laugh>, like the first, one of the first songs I remember like hearing was, uh, yeah. In South Cincinnati. Mm-hmm. And, um, on that like, guitars, Cadillacs record. And it was, it was literally, and it's cheesy, it sounds, it was like he had this Cass a cassette player and he had still has still has it in his garage. There's a stack of cassettes, you know, and I, the tough thing that like, oh, I think I get a little frustrated with, and, and not saying towards you, but anyways, people will say, oh, California, California. I'm like, man, I'm three hours north of San Francisco. So I I'm in the, there's like a Netflix show called like Murder Mountain. Mm-hmm. <affirmative>, have you ever heard of that thing?
Speaker 1 00:18:00 I haven't seen it now.
Speaker 2 00:18:01 Deep, deep in the woods. Like I, I I'm in the sticks out there. Yeah. You know? Um, yeah. The iest place I ever lived and I, I live in Texas now, obviously was in northern California, so. Right. And it, the music that I was listening to was a mix of, it was like, this is what I always tell people if Matt Miller and Casey Musgraves and Willie Nelson, and they all had like a love child. Like, that's what, you know, and by the same time I was still playing like Brantley Gilbert and stuff. And um, so that's where the kinda the rock element comes from. Yeah. Um, the early Jason Aldean mm-hmm. <affirmative> was on the radio a lot when I was growing up. Um, early Brantley Brantley Gilbert, dude, that old stuff with Braley was, was swampy dude. You know,
Speaker 1 00:18:48 Dude, it was, it had like a nice twang with a bit, it was kind of like you said, swampy a little bit heavy too. Yeah.
Speaker 2 00:18:55 It was. And I, I, I loved it and I, I was like in the car, like, yeah. Go. I was like, that's a fire me up. So like, that's kind of, yeah. I, I remember like listening to that stuff and being like, I like the heaviness of it. I like the strength. Um, but at the same time when I was, I was listening a lot, my dad was that kind of inspiration of like the Dwight Yocum and the George Strait and, um, he was a big Garth guy. I'm not really a big Garth guy.
Speaker 1 00:19:18 Me neither.
Speaker 2 00:19:19 That's
Speaker 1 00:19:20 Might be sacrilege to say, but whatever. <laugh>,
Speaker 2 00:19:24 I, I just loved edginess, I think. Mm-hmm. <affirmative>, I loved Pop punk, I loved hip hop. Um, I loved the edgier stuff on country radio. Yeah. So it was just stuff that made me like, feel amped, you know? Right. Feel excited. And that's the kind of music that I listen to. And that, and then growing up, and I was, this is where I kind of tied into my Nashville experience. Like I wasn't writing songs in Nashville. That, that reminded me of what I got excited about when it came to music, you know? Mm-hmm. <affirmative>. And that's not knocking Nashville, that's just saying that I was trying to do something that wasn't what fit me, you know? Right. I think I was writing a lot of cool songs, a lot of good songs, but it just didn't fit the artistry that I wanted to. And it took moving back to Texas to be like, oh, there's that edge, there's that, you know, chip on your shoulder kind of music. And, um, I, I think that's what it was. It was the best movie I could have made for sure.
Speaker 1 00:20:15 So how would you compare the creativity? And it don't have to be bad things, I'm not trying to get any bad things outta you, but like between Nashville and Texas, like on the surface level or deeper, whatever you think.
Speaker 2 00:20:29 There is no place on this planet that has a more concentrated group of talent than Nashville, Tennessee, in my opinion. Um, anything you need musically is within a 10 to 15, 20 mile radius. Yeah. Um, and that is, you can't, you, no matter what, you, you can't replicate that in Texas. Mm-hmm. <affirmative>, um, Austin is not Nashville. Uh, at the same time, uh, I would say there is an element of Texas music that is so liberating and so, um, unrestrained. Yeah. That I think is leaves so much more room for creativity in my experience. And that's not saying that what I'm doing is gonna work and gonna be, ain't gonna make me a big old star, you know? Right. But what I am saying is that if you feel what I felt and felt constrained or, or non-original, I'm not saying like, and I'm not trying to talk about Nashville, cuz I go to Nashville all the time and I respect the beast.
Speaker 2 00:21:33 Mm-hmm. If you wanna, you, if you wanna, you know, do certain things like national television and and award shows you, you, you go, you only can do that in Nashville. Right. Um, but for me, man, it's like, I've never felt constrained here. I never, I never felt like I couldn't put out a pop song, sorry, a pop punk song and a country song like with a fiddle. I never felt like I couldn't do that in the same album. Um, you know, and I have management in Nashville. I have my booking agencies in Nashville. Like, I, I, I know that that's the business, but I also have people in Nashville who trust me in Texas and know that, um, they, they, they understand like that I'm out of pocket in a lot of senses ways, but n I was talking to, I was someone today and they're just like, we feel like you flirt with mainstream enough.
Speaker 2 00:22:28 And I was like, yeah, I think that's super fair. I can see that. I think, I think I do mm-hmm. <affirmative>. Um, I'm, I'm not, I'm not as edgy as co musically probably as a person as well too, but <laugh>, uh, you know, but I, and I'm not as down the middle as, you know, your mainstream radio. So it's, it's somewhere in between because I, I mean, like, I would say I, I want to have an electric amp fired up show, but I also wanna play The Grand Ole Opry someday. That's the best way to kind of Yeah. Ex explain how I feel about, um, blending, you know, falling into that scene and, and staying out of it at the same time.
Speaker 1 00:23:03 So I, yeah. I, since I started listening to you, I've seen a lot of Parker Cola, miss Kinda,
Speaker 2 00:23:09 I, I get that lot.
Speaker 1 00:23:12 Not a bad thing at all. I like Parker McColum, but <laugh>,
Speaker 2 00:23:15 I'm a fan. I'm, I'm absolutely a fan. And it's, it'd be weird if like, you know what, you know, I'm a big fan of Parker is, is how he did it. Uh, how he went from Texas to Nashville. There's a lot of guys that jumped and completely changed their sound and, you know, it didn't work out. And that could go for any scene. There's a big, obviously the Southeast is a big scene. Like, you know, I feel like he just did it in a way, him and Cody Johnson is really, they were able to stick to their guns while also giving their respective record labels enough content to go make 'em some hits and go make 'em even bigger, you know? Right. Um, but like, for like Handle On You Parker's song, you know mm-hmm. <affirmative>, that's still an incredible song, uh, yeah. In my book. And they, he didn't like sell out and that became a massive hit, you know? Right. When people start trying to tell me that Pretty Heart's his best song, that's when I try to draw the line, I'm like, no, it's not <laugh>. Right. But, uh, I, you know, I loved his older stuff as far as, you know, songwriting goes, but at the same time, if, if Pretty Heart is the silence on the radio and handle on you, and until you can't, I'm, I'm so okay with that. Right. So that's what I would say.
Speaker 1 00:24:29 Yeah. It, it's interesting to talk to people about songwriting, especially like you, if you're a songwriter, it's interesting to me because I'm, I've always been more, I always paid more attention to the instrumental side of a song for whatever reason. Yeah. Most people
Speaker 2 00:24:43 Do. Most people do.
Speaker 1 00:24:44 Yeah. Yeah. And like, I like to dig deep into like, oh, that bass groove was like, great. And then meanwhile there's like a wonderful story being written that's just going right over my head. Yeah. But, um, so going into that, what is your writing process usually? Like, cuz I know it's different for a lot of people. Like when you sit down, do you, do you sit down to write a song or does it come to you, or what?
Speaker 2 00:25:05 Yeah. Uh, dude, it's funny. I you're right, everyone is different. Um, I think that I, I really, I looked at my album and Seven or Solo writes and then Four or Co-writes. Um, and then the last song I put out was I had written most of it and had sent it off to somebody and they added some stuff to it. So I, to be clear, honest, it's, it is a lot harder for me to walk into a room and just come up with an idea and just start writing mm-hmm. <affirmative> with like, you know, some writers in Nashville, what I like to do is come in with like a burst in a chorus or like an I don't, you know, something already kind of there. Yeah, sure. And, and then they can help me make it a lot better. Mm-hmm. <affirmative>, you know, um, I have a song though coming out in then, uh, end of July or end of August that was solo ride.
Speaker 2 00:25:53 And it's easily like my, one of my favorite songs I've written. But, um, then again, I have a song that, uh, I just recorded. I don't know if it's gonna come out, but my first outside cut. Okay. So I didn't even write it. Oh, wow. You know, and, and I've never done that before. I don't know if it's actually gonna come out, but, um, it was one of those songs that I was like, I would write that song. Yeah. You know, and I have, I have, I wrote like, I have eight or nine cuts with over 200,000 streams on other people's artistry mm-hmm. <affirmative>. So I love and respect just being a songwriter at the same time. So I, when I got that cut, I think at first I was like really prideful and I was like, man, I never cut out outside song or whatever, but I have to separate the songwriting and the artistry at some point. And, um, one of my good buddies is Cory Kent. Mm-hmm. <affirmative>. And, um, we just bought like his trailer and his, uh, he just, he, he just got a bigger trailer and, and a better inner system. Um, and he's trying to sell me his van right now, but I'm probably can afford that <laugh>.
Speaker 2 00:26:56 It's just funny cuz I was asking him, I was like, dude, like you're an incredible songwriter, you know, I think he is an awesome songwriter. Yeah. But he didn't write while it was hurt, you know? Mm-hmm. <affirmative>. And he's like, he's like, dude, if if you, if everyone stopped cutting outside songs, you know, songwriters like the the the songs will get worse mm-hmm. <affirmative>, because everyone's gonna feel like they have to do one thing. He goes, if you wanna be a songwriter, an artist, that's great. If you want to write 99% of your songs, that's great. But if someone is also telling a story that fits you in a song and it, and it, it makes your artist career, you know, like hit a certain level so they can see your actual like stuff Yeah. They, then it's absolutely worth it, you know? And, um, I don't know, again, I don't know if it's gonna see the light today, but, uh, it's a song that just fits exactly what I'm trying to do as an artist. And, um, and trying to say as an artist, uh, it's super, it's a super out-of-pocket song <laugh>. Uh, but, um, no, I mean, I, it's, for me it's like I, I, when I sit down, I, I'm thinking for Palmer Anthony is how I'm writing un unless I'm, unless I'm with another artist, then it changes.
Speaker 1 00:28:05 Right.
Speaker 2 00:28:07 Um, but yeah. Yeah.
Speaker 1 00:28:08 So it's, it's,
Speaker 2 00:28:09 It's,
Speaker 1 00:28:10 Yeah. So, so like, when it comes to that kind of thing, do you, cause you, you're always gonna see those people who are like, oh, he didn't write this song. It's like, oh, he must be bogus or something, which is bullshit, but like, what do you think about like, that stigma and like the, there
Speaker 2 00:28:28 There's two things. Yeah. There's two things I'll say. The first thing I would say is those same people probably listen to Morgan won and Morgan Wall wrote eight of his 36 songs. Yeah. And, and, and, but at the same time, Morgan made all 36 of those songs sound like Morgan won. Right. And he's, and he's like, there's no one that is doing what he's doing or now. And if you're a fan and not a fan, he is astronomically bigger than anything that has come outta country music in the last, you know, couple decades
Speaker 1 00:28:56 Since like, Garth Brooks probably <laugh>
Speaker 2 00:28:58 Literally. Yeah. And that, that's what like, I was like, Hey, you, you don't have to like it, but you gotta understand this guy's like in his, in his bag right now. Yeah. You know, like <laugh>. And, uh, but my thing about that was I was like, if he, but the song that we cut that was outside, we completely changed it from like, the version that I got.
Speaker 1 00:29:19 Okay.
Speaker 2 00:29:20 And so we made it our own, you know, and I think that there's an artist reach as that, you know, like those same people probably listen to Tennessee Whiskey by Chris Staples. He didn't write that song. Yeah. You know? Right. But he made it his own. And I understand that the copy and paste thing, like, I can see people being like, oh, you have no attachment to that song. You did nothing to that song, and you put it out there. I can understand that people, how people don't wanna listen to that, but if you change it to make it feel like your own and, and you put your own spin on it, and whether it's production or like, change two words here and there, man, I think that's pretty cool. And, um, I have, I have lowered my, you know, I ain't never gonna do that. Yeah.
Speaker 1 00:29:56 Yeah.
Speaker 2 00:29:57 But, uh, for now, like, you know, everything I've put out is, obviously I've written most are solo rights. Um, and it's probably gonna be like that for a while, you know? Yeah. And, uh, cause I, I think I have a lot of my story left to tell before I start just trying to get like, hits on the radio. Right.
Speaker 1 00:30:14 So Meet me in Texas, that was with Gracie York, right? Uh, yeah. Did you guys both write that or did she just feature on it, or what was that about?
Speaker 2 00:30:23 Yeah, I wrote it. I wrote it with a couple buddies. Um, and she just, she featured on it. Okay. But, uh, she was my first call man, the first person I asked to do it.
Speaker 1 00:30:31 Fantastic song. It was great. Yeah.
Speaker 2 00:30:33 She's, she's great. We've only actually sung it together like three times in, in person.
Speaker 1 00:30:38 No shit.
Speaker 2 00:30:40 I know. We gotta gotta figure out how to get that. We're gonna be both gonna be at Highway 30 Music Fest next week and we're definitely gonna pop it out then,
Speaker 1 00:30:47 So. Damn, that's exciting. That's a big one, ain't it?
Speaker 2 00:30:50 Yeah. I mean, we're on the same day as like, we call us the Yellowstone Day. It's, uh, like the Red Strays steel woods, uh, Shanes fifth, the Saints Jackson Dean. Um, we have the, like the edgy Rock Day. Yeah. Then, um, the Wednesday is all girls too, so it's like Laney Gracie, uh, Morgan Wade, ca Hasty. It's literally all female. It's pretty, pretty awesome.
Speaker 1 00:31:16 That is pretty cool. Damn. Yeah. So like, are there other like shows you've played like similar to that or like that you're like, oh shit, am I really playing this?
Speaker 2 00:31:27 Man? I think, uh, we opened up for Riley Green on a three day run and sounds, aren't that like similar now? Mm-hmm. <affirmative>, but the second show we played with him was at Green Hall and that's a pretty iconic place in Texas. And I was like, I'm playing with a guy that I've listened to for the past before I was even doing music mm-hmm. <affirmative>. And I'm playing at a venue that is like Willie's Willie Nelson's place, you know? Right. And so for me, that was one of those moments where I'm like, this is insane. You know? Yeah. Uh, I think someday when we played Billy Bob's, it's gonna be one of those moments.
Speaker 1 00:32:01 Yeah. I saw, um, uh, I think it was Cody West just played there and it, I couldn't imagine like, just, I was just like, I'd visit there a few times and it's like, I couldn't imagine playing here as an artist. Like, that has to be like a huge moment for you.
Speaker 2 00:32:17 Yeah. Nah, I've been backstage a couple times, but never got to like actually play it yet. But
Speaker 1 00:32:23 It's coming, man. It's coming. I'll, I'll,
Speaker 2 00:32:25 I'll be, I'll be waiting for that one. Sure. Yeah.
Speaker 1 00:32:27 So well like it, it's cool to go to those Ven that's another thing that, uh, Texas and I'll even, I'll say Oklahoma too with their like venues there. Some of them, like, you don't realize how like, important they are to not only the music scene there, but music. Like, I went to, uh, Kane's, like for one Canes man, like that was crazy to even be in there. Like you could smell the history. Yeah.
Speaker 2 00:32:50 See all the pictures on the, uh, they didn't do that so Cool. The Big
Speaker 1 00:32:53 Red curtain and everything.
Speaker 2 00:32:55 We've played there once with Randall Kane. That was, that was a really special night. That was one of those bucket list ones for sure. To check off. But
Speaker 1 00:33:02 When, when was that one? Do you remember off the top of your head? Was that
Speaker 2 00:33:05 February of this past year?
Speaker 1 00:33:06 Damn, I was right down the street. I was at, uh,
Speaker 2 00:33:09 Austin meets. Yeah.
Speaker 1 00:33:10 <laugh>. I think I might have hit you up actually. I don't remember.
Speaker 2 00:33:14 Dang. Uh, yeah, it's so funny cause I remember like that night they were like, Austin me's playing down the street. That's funny. Yeah. Yeah. But honestly respect because, but, and it's funny because Randall's awesome. Randall's Randall loves my country side of things. Mm-hmm. <affirmative> and we play at Rockier stuff. We half our setss like rock, half of its country. Right. And I always think he kinda gives little <laugh>,
Speaker 1 00:33:36 He's a country ass dude, <laugh>,
Speaker 2 00:33:39 I thought you like, you know, but he knows that like, you know, we respect both and we try to do it justice. We don't, we don't try to blend them as much. It's more of like a separate show,
Speaker 1 00:33:46 You know? Right. Yeah. You have to respect it out there. You're like, everyone's different. That's why I like it so much. Yeah.
Speaker 2 00:33:52 Yeah. No, a hundred percent. Hundred percent. Yeah.
Speaker 1 00:33:54 Another one was, I, I moved to Stillwater while back in the Tumbleweed.
Speaker 2 00:33:58 Like, dude, that place is so fun. I've never had a bad night in, uh, in the, I've never gone out in the town of Stillwater because I've never left there until closing time at that far
Speaker 1 00:34:08 <laugh> dude. But it is a party town for sure.
Speaker 2 00:34:12 And I love that place, man. Tumble Oklahoma music scene, man is like awesome. Yeah. It's just, it's, it's not, it's not not as big as Texas mm-hmm. <affirmative>, but, um, the bands coming out of there are insane. And, and they have a, a good handful of venues that are just so welcoming to the younger, like Texas acts. So
Speaker 1 00:34:32 Yeah. I tumbleweed, like, that's what got me into Texas and Red Dirt period because I went, yeah. I moved there from Kentucky not knowing shit about any of the music there. And I Yeah. And their Reed Southall came to Tumbleweed. Yeah, dude. And I went and saw 'em, like, this shit rocks. And that's when I got the research and I found out about all these other bands, like, why doesn't anyone where I live know about this shit,
Speaker 2 00:34:56 Man? It's, it's almost like kind of culty, you know, it's like the scene and people are mad at you if you don't like it or <laugh>. Like, they either, they either don't like it or they, they love it, you know, there's not really like, oh, I casually listen to like Red Dirt Music, <laugh>, you know, uh, but you know, it's, it, dude, it's a, it's a scene and it's become more popular and uh, I think that's only good and people like saying, oh, well it's sounding too much like Tennessee. I'm like, man, like, I don't think so. Like, if you just stick to, I always say if you can, if your stuff can still play on radio a Texas radio, which is completely different than Nashville Radio, then you're doing all right. You know? Yeah. If it's, if it doesn't fit on Texas radio and it only fits on Nashville radio, that's kind of all you need to know, uh, in your music,
Speaker 1 00:35:42 So, right. Yeah. Yeah. That's true. But, um, so, uh, have, has there been a point with you, and this is another thing I ask everyone I have on, um, was there a point with you or multiple points so far, uh, in your music career where you're like, okay, like, I don't wanna say, uh, oh man, I made it, but like, more like we're getting there, like a certain point you could like pinpoint?
Speaker 2 00:36:09 Man, I, to be plea honest, it was probably a couple weeks ago, man, we were signed our, the booking deal. Mm-hmm. Um, I think that, and it hasn't even been like, fully announced yet. Like it's, um, but like, I mean, we, we did the takeover with them, whatever, but that was a moment where I was like, okay, don't stop. You know? Yeah. That's kind of how I felt more of. Cause I think, dude, there's a lot of times man, where we get lost in the numbers if they're not looking good and, and we'd be like, what? Like, what are we actually like doing out here? You know?
Speaker 1 00:36:41 Right. Yeah.
Speaker 2 00:36:43 But to have a company like them come in and say like, Hey, we believe in you, uh, we're gonna support you, put you guys on the road to keep you guys on the road. That's kinda all I needed to, uh, and that was just a couple months ago to be like, all right, like, don't stop, keep going. You know? Um, so that, that was, that was, it was really this year that, uh, companies have started to take interest in us and, and, um, it, it, and not that like, I don't believe in myself, but I can only believe in myself so much to where it financially is like <laugh>. You know? Uh, if I'm the only one helping myself, who's gonna, I'm gonna, you know, what's gonna happen. But, um, it, it was, I'm not saying like that's all I needed to keep going. I would've probably kept going either way, but Right.
Speaker 2 00:37:24 Um, but tho those moments are, are special cuz you go, okay, hey, here's the next tier in a sense. So we were a bar band, then we started getting on opening shows, like the first opening shows we were doing like Pegas and Rooftops mm-hmm. <affirmative> and Colby Cooper. Those were the first two bands that let us come play were those two bands and uh, cool. And those two guys, I learned so much from back in my 2021. Right. Uh, but how to put on a, how to put on a damn Good show, how To Entertain and Colby Cooper and PAs Their Tops, those are the two bands I would say like really allowed us to spread our wings a tiny bit. You know? Um, there's like just a different tiers. You know, you go from playing like in the bar to opening up big shows to having your own booking agency, like there, then you just kinda like, and those steps have been always gratifying, but it's also gives you a little anxiety too cuz you're like, all right, I gotta make sure these companies, you know, are proven right by me. But
Speaker 1 00:38:16 That's a so, but that's a good problem to have though, right?
Speaker 2 00:38:20 It is, it is. And it's, it's motivating. Mm-hmm. <affirmative> all around. Um, there's not a part of it where I'm like, oh crap, I'm the booking booking agency. I'm like, all right, let's get, let's get back to work. Let's like, let's hammer down now. You know? Yeah. That's, that's more of what it is for sure. But, um, yeah, man, I'm excited man. It's just, uh, it's, it's tough dude. It's like, there's days just like any job or any career, it's like, there's days where you just like really throw some questions out there. But, um, just, we just been keeping our head down here in Texas, man, just working hard and, and trying to, trying to figure it out, you know? Yeah.
Speaker 1 00:38:52 How do you get through those low points? Like when you're like, man, I don't know if I made the right move. Cuz like,
Speaker 2 00:38:59 Man, like, sometimes it's just like writing, you know? Mm-hmm. <affirmative>. Um, there, there was a time earlier this year where I was like, I couldn't figure out how to write a song. Uh, we didn't have many shows going on and, you know, and we were just hitting this point, we like, damn dude, like, we're getting no help here at all. Like, I, I can't create anything, I can't get any shows and, uh, in those moments you kind of gotta check out my opinion. Yeah. For a couple days. I dunno what I, I can't remember what I did, but I remember I just was like, it wasn't on my phone. I went to like the lake, it was there for like four or five days and just didn't do anything music related. And I think I needed that for sure. Um, a reset is a good way to put it. Yeah. Uh, but I think cuz we're so obsessed with it, you know, so like, uh, hyper-focused on waking up and being like, all right, what can we do today to get 10 more followers on Instagram? You know, to, and this, it sounds materialized, but it kind of is, you know, um, um,
Speaker 1 00:40:04 That's the name of the game today though. Like, that's what you have to do. It is.
Speaker 2 00:40:08 It is dude. And that's, yeah. We're, we're, but we're ups and downs, you know? Yeah.
Speaker 1 00:40:13 So like, do what about like, the brotherhood with all the, a sisterhood with all the other like artists like in your scene or your group? Yeah. Like is it strong? Is it competitive or both or?
Speaker 2 00:40:23 I think, uh, when we're in Texas, it's a little competitive mm-hmm. <affirmative>, but I think when a group of us Texans like see each other in, uh, Nashville or something, it's almost like we're like on the same side, you know? Yeah. And to be honest, it's not ever, like, no one ever, I've never heard of anyone wishing someone bad or, or, uh, not pulling for another guy. You know, because there's not a whole lot comparatively in Texas versus like Nashville. There's 500 artists and 10,000 songwriters, you know, right here there's, you know, probably 20, 30 artists, you know, do like really putting their pedal down mm-hmm. <affirmative>. And, uh, I think it's super weird if you don't support, you know, the artists around you. Cause it just, it's either in that it's either gonna come back around, that kind of karma's gonna come back around to you or, uh, you know, it's just, it's just why it doesn't make any sense. I, I mean, I occasionally heard people be like, uh, I got sucks, whatever. I'm like, why, why do you say that? You know? Like, there's no
Speaker 1 00:41:24 Point. Yeah. I mean, especially in Texas, like, you're gonna see these guys again, like all these shows. Oh yeah. Like they're the same ones. Opening it for each other. Headlining, like, we play the same like the festivals, like you see each other all the time. So it's crazy to have any kind of feud.
Speaker 2 00:41:40 We play the same venues, we all play the same. So Yeah. It, it would get around if people were talking about by people. Yeah. So yeah. Maybe not Nashville. So here.
Speaker 1 00:41:51 Yeah, it's really cool seeing, like in Nashville, like when I've been down there for a few of Ray Rowdies, uh, riders rounds and, um, they had, we had one night and we ended up having, um, Austin came and Austin Upchurch all, you know, from Texas in Nashville. It was, it was just kind of cool to see them come together to be Yeah. Just from like a fan point of view. So like, it, it must be sweet for like artists, especially if they haven't played Nashville to like wind up there. Like just, they always seem happy to be there just to play.
Speaker 2 00:42:21 We, I would say we are man. And like, that's the thing, leaving Nashville made me appreciated more, I think mm-hmm. <affirmative> and not being like caught up in the scene. And, um, it made appreciate more like in, uh, being a part of it is again, in a different light has has made me appreciate it more for sure.
Speaker 1 00:42:38 Right. Hell yeah, man. But, uh, yeah, so like, hey, uh, what about any uh, new music you want to tease or talk about coming up? Yeah,
Speaker 2 00:42:47 I can told you. Uh, can I grab a phone charger really quick? Yeah, go ahead. I
Speaker 1 00:42:50 Go
Speaker 2 00:42:50 Ahead man. Are you able to pause this? Yeah,
Speaker 1 00:42:53 We'll edit it all. You're good. Cool.
Speaker 2 00:42:55 Yeah, we back. Yes. It's one of those fast charges, so we're good.
Speaker 1 00:43:27 Hell yeah. <laugh>.
Speaker 2 00:43:28 Yeah. Sorry about that. Um, you're
Speaker 1 00:43:30 Good.
Speaker 2 00:43:31 Yeah, I'm good to go.
Speaker 1 00:43:35 But, um, what'd I say? <laugh>?
Speaker 2 00:43:38 Uh, new music. New music. Yeah.
Speaker 1 00:43:40 Yeah. Yeah. <laugh>.
Speaker 2 00:43:41 Uh, yeah, so we're definitely gonna, I think it's gonna be July 14th.
Speaker 1 00:43:49 Okay.
Speaker 2 00:43:50 Uh, I got a single coming and, uh, we got another one coming August, like late, late August. Um, and these are the two, the country ones. But then I feel like country, the stuff I put out in the country sphere, I dunno why it summer makes you put that out. Yeah. Excuse me. But then like I, in the winter, I get all angsty again. Yeah. Yeah. And I put all, put my rock stuff out. So I think that the rockier things, uh, gonna be like in the winter. Um, and it is funny cause like as soon as I put stuff on TikTok or Instagram or whatever, and as funny I saw was comment the other day on my talks, I put a song up and it wa it was actually happy for you and it was like slower and CU country and this guy was like, don't like it, only want the acoustic version or something like that. And I was like, dude, I cared that, like you said, everyone said like, you know, man, it's like, this is how I wanted to make this song and this is how I felt when I was writing this song. Yeah. So
Speaker 1 00:44:49 You talk shit back to him.
Speaker 2 00:44:51 I didn't, I didn't. Cause I feel like I didn't wanna give him the satisfaction, you know? Right.
Speaker 1 00:44:57 <laugh>.
Speaker 2 00:44:57 But I might go back and just be like, kiss my ass some of that.
Speaker 1 00:45:00 Just report 'em <laugh>,
Speaker 2 00:45:02 Dude, I, I think I don't, I think I, I don't remember, but of course it's like user 25, 38. Oh
Speaker 1 00:45:10 Yeah.
Speaker 2 00:45:10 Like, I was like, dude, like kiss
Speaker 1 00:45:13 My, they have no profile picture, just a blank space.
Speaker 2 00:45:16 No. Yeah. Just some little bot getting mad at me. I was like, dude, you're literally a child. Like, um, but again, at the same time I'm like, at least I appreciate you listening.
Speaker 1 00:45:27 Yeah. That's a view. That's one more view.
Speaker 2 00:45:30 Yeah. No, like, and he listened to the acoustic one too, and I was like, all right, all right. Like, that's cool. I was like, Hey, sorry I can't make you happy, but, uh, thanks for listening.
Speaker 1 00:45:39 How is your, how is your TikTok game? You you getting used to that shit yet or what?
Speaker 2 00:45:43 Man, my management, they hate me on that. Oh. Uh, they know that, like, I've always been like, not against it, but just like, I don't see the point. Mm-hmm. Um, but I, I do see the point now and I know that it has helped and changed and grown a lot of people's, um, careers. And I, again, one of those things that I respect and, uh, I think I have like 12,000 followers, so it's not nothing like crazy, but, um, enough to where once in a while a video gets some love and I will actually see it directly relate to streams. You know, I, so I don't know, like I don't think that I will like be a TikTok guy that blows up that kind of stuff on TikTok, but I do think it is a, it's a free medium mm-hmm. <affirmative> to promote your music.
Speaker 2 00:46:32 And I think people are a little naive if they don't think it has some power. Yeah. So I try to, you know, but I always say that the stuff I put on TikTok is very personality related, you know, it's not like I'm doing any dances or anything on there <laugh>. Yeah. But, uh, I try to keep it like in our lane. So like if, if basically like I was, someone told me this, if TikTok blew up and someone knew you from that TikTok, make sure they, if they saw you live in concert, whether it was like a certain funny act that you did or if it was like a certain way you put a song on there. If you can't replicate that in person, whether it's meeting someone or on a live show, then don't put it up basically. Right.
Speaker 1 00:47:15 Yeah. I mean that makes sense. Yeah. Well man, I appreciate you hopping on here tonight. Thanks for talking to me, <laugh>,
Speaker 2 00:47:23 Dude. No, thank you man. And listen, I appreciate y'all dude. Cause like it's always funny me cuz as an act that people go, well you have two different sounds, you know, and I'm like, yeah, <laugh>, that's the point.
Speaker 1 00:47:36 That's the fun part.
Speaker 2 00:47:38 Go look at your, go at your Spotify playlist, like how many sounds you got on there, you know? Exactly. And, um, but no, I, I, again, I appreciate y'all man. It's, it's a, the, the rock element in country has been around longer than people think and it's something that's gonna be, continue to be prevalent and I think our sound and we'll still put out a lot of country music, but don't be surprised if there's some edgier sounding stuff, you know? Right. So, but no, dude, I, I appreciate it, man. It's a, it's, it's a long ride at the top, so Yeah. You know, thanks for hanging with us, man.
Speaker 1 00:48:11 Absolutely. We ain't going anywhere brother. Um, appreciate
Speaker 2 00:48:14 Your
Speaker 1 00:48:14 Problem. So I'm gonna sign off here. Stick around though. We gotta like do some after thing, but, um, let's do it. Yep. Yeah. All right guys. Uh, thanks for listening. We're here with Palmer, Anthony, and I'm Sam and we'll see you next time.
