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Speaker 2 00:01:25 What's up everybody? This is Rowdy Alternative. Uh, I'm Sam. Uh, today we're here with, uh, Abby Ocre from, uh, goodnight Texas. Uh, what's up, Abby? How are you?
Speaker 3 00:01:35 Hey, how you doing? What's it going? Thanks for having me. Yeah,
Speaker 2 00:01:37 No problem, man. Um, first off, funny story 'cause it, I wanna tell you real quick how, uh, uh, I, uh, first heard you guys, um, it wasn't too long ago actually. Um, I was at a bachelor party and, um, my, uh, cousin shout out to Mitchell, uh, he, um, played a, a a a bank robbers nursery rhyme. And, um, nice. And like, literally, I think we were there for like four days, just camping. And I don't think there was another song that was played the entire time. So <laugh>, that song's permanently stuck in my head.
Speaker 3 00:02:13 <laugh>. Oh, that's great. But,
Speaker 2 00:02:15 Uh, yeah, that, that's just kind of funny. Um, but, uh, that's
Speaker 3 00:02:19 Great.
Speaker 2 00:02:20 So I guess I'll just jump into, um, how did you get started? Uh, I know you, were you in the Stone Foxes?
Speaker 3 00:02:27 Yeah, I was, I was in that band. We were college roommates and I played with them, uh, until 2011 and then started this band following that, leaving that band.
Speaker 2 00:02:37 Okay. Right on. So, uh, how'd you connect with, uh, Patrick?
Speaker 3 00:02:42 We met, he lived out here, um, in like 2007 to nine, and we met here playing shows and, uh, we hosted an open mic night together, um, at the Brainwash Cafe. And, uh, yeah. And then he, he moved to North Carolina and we decided to kind of try to start a cross country band. Thought it'd be fun.
Speaker 2 00:03:06 So, um, when you say here, uh, where are you based out of?
Speaker 3 00:03:10 Uh, I live in the Bay Area, uh, in California, San Francisco area.
Speaker 2 00:03:15 Okay. And, um, I guess talking about that in both your locations, um, did that have something to do with the name Goodnight, Texas? Or do I have that wrong?
Speaker 3 00:03:25 Y yes, exactly. That's, so I, at the time when we started the band, I lived in, in the Sunset District in San Francisco, like kind of out by the beach. And he lived in Chapel Hill, North Carolina, sorta, um, near Carbo and the university. And, uh, we found Mile for Mile between Our Houses was this town in the panhandle of Texas called Goodnight. And, uh, I think his wife Mary, actually was the one to find that specific town they were looking like sorta of in the, in the area, like of, you know, where it would be. And, and she, yeah, we found that and was like, oh, that's fucking great name <laugh>. We, yeah. Tried it out with a few friends and they were like, yeah, that's cool. You should get, you should do that. So
Speaker 2 00:04:06 Awesome.
Speaker 3 00:04:07 Switched, switched to that band name from, we, we, at first we called ourselves P Wolf and Avi, which is way less interesting. <laugh> <laugh>.
Speaker 2 00:04:14 Um,
Speaker 2 00:04:16 So, uh, what the thing, the interesting thing with you guys that drew me in was, um, at first when you hear it, you could, anyone could call it I guess country or folk or whatever, like, but I, like, to me it seems like a mesh of different sounds. Definitely folk stuff, definitely country stuff. But there's also like, I wanna say a bit of a, like sonically, it sounds rock at some points the way like a melody set up or anything. What do you consider if you'd have to put you guys in a genre or a sub genre, what would that be?
Speaker 3 00:04:50 Yeah, so that's, that's always tough to, to define. I feel like we always are trying to figure out the best way to describe it. Um, it's definitely kind of heavier, it's not bluegrass, but we play bluegrass instruments probably most easily lines up with Americana. Mm-hmm. <affirmative>, because it's kind of historical and there's stories there. And you know, for the most part takes place in, in the US And, uh, yeah, I, I, we tend to go with like, folk rock, Americana, uh, we've been called like Appalachian Bluegrass, or sorry, Appalachian, uh, garage music or, uh, doom Doom Country or <laugh>, you know, all kinds of things. But yeah, it's there, it's just a variety of, of, uh, of sounds that I, if anyone listening has a better idea of how to, what to call us. We're always, always looking for suggestions.
Speaker 2 00:05:44 Well, sometimes I, I don't even think you need a, need a genre to put yourself in. That's the beauty of music. Just play whatever you want.
Speaker 3 00:05:53 Yeah. Yeah. You do what you do and yeah. I agree.
Speaker 2 00:05:58 Um, another interesting thing, um, that I found out about you guys, uh, specifically you, um, was that you were on the, uh, bla uh, blacklisted, uh, album from Metallica, correct?
Speaker 3 00:06:12 Yeah.
Speaker 2 00:06:13 Um, playing of Wooing Man. Um, yep. Can you explain, um, how you even got, uh, involved in that lane? How you connected with Metallica at all
Speaker 3 00:06:26 The, it's, yeah, it's a pretty weird story, but, uh, I've, I've worked for them for about 15 years, uh, in the studio and, and, uh, a long time ago I did some touring with 'em in their row crew. And, uh, yeah, I've just, I've just kind of been around in their world and they figured out that I played music, uh, eventually and we kind of, you know, made friends about it. And I, I've had some opportunities to, to play with them and sing some backing vocals and play mandolin when they go acoustic and stuff. Um, for specifically for their, the benefit shows for their charity, which, you know, happened every, maybe every couple years in, in the winter. And, uh, so yeah, so I had kind of been around and, and known them, and when they were putting that together, their, the head of their label Mark writer reached out and was like, Hey, do you want to, you know, we, we've been talking about it. Do you, do you guys wanna contribute a song to this? Like, there's a lot of lot of cool bands on it, and it was a big opportunity for us. But yeah, they, uh, were super kind to let us, you know, join that album. But yeah, it stemmed from me working for them and knowing them for many years.
Speaker 2 00:07:36 So what made you choose that particular song?
Speaker 3 00:07:40 Well, uh, Patrick's last name is Wolf. So really anything with Wolf kind of, we tend to lean towards. Uh, yeah, I sort of, I sort of had like, I mean, in, in knowing the people that worked tonight, I was able to kind of ask like, Hey, is there anything that's not getting picked that much? And they were like, actually, you know, so far no one's picked, you know, Wolf and Man and, uh, I think struggled within at the time, you know, so we were like, all right, well, yeah, we gotta do a Wolf And Man, because I've always loved that song. I think, I think it's like, I don't know, it's just really like cinematic lyrically. And I was like, ah, I feel like I could like, see, let's try to like paint this kind of like, foggy. Um, there's a song by Blitz and Trapper called Fur that's like a story of like a wolf, like a, some turnable.
Speaker 3 00:08:26 It's like, it's kind of mystical and foggy and, and like very, it kind of paints a cool cinematic picture, but, you know, sounds more like a, you know, I guess like sixties folk song or something kinda like that. Um, and I was like, ah, I wanna try to like, figure out a way to like, capture the sort of cinematography of this into sounds. And so I, I made up a demo on my phone and sent it around to the band, the guys in my band and, and were like, uh, into it. So yeah, just, just decided on that one. 'cause it, it felt like we could do something cool with it. And, uh, and the Wolf thing.
Speaker 2 00:09:03 Yeah. <laugh>. Um, I wanna come back to the Metallica thing, but first I, I want to ask you, 'cause you're describing that, uh, that sound, um, is there like a certain sound that, it's kind of a cliche thing to ask, but like a sound or a type or a, if you have a band that comes to mind that you look to for inspiration, or does it change a whole lot depending on what sound you're going for?
Speaker 3 00:09:31 I guess that's true. Uh, there's a variety of bands that are inspiring, uh, to me at any given time. And I think I try to like, take elements of, uh, of them here and there and sort of run them through the lens of what I, I think Goodnight Texas is, and try to see what, you know, there's definitely a lot of, you know, the way Metallica puts songs together with parts and pieces and, and has, uh, you know, ha it comes from like rifts and different things and sort of will co combine thi you know, ideas into these like, sort of epic kind of masterpiece things is really like inspiring to, you know, to to witness and to try to try to do that. We have some songs where like the, the whole vibe of the song will sort of change in the middle and mm-hmm. <affirmative>, you know, I think that kind, the inspiration for that could come from, from Metallica. Uh, but yeah, also like, I mean, we've, you know, just find, trying to find heaviness in other sounds and other genres of music are like, uh, is really fun, like really quiet stuff that's, that's really heavy to me, is really powerful and, and hard to do. And I'm trying to think of like, other bands that like, uh, the band, the band has always been a, a big inspiration.
Speaker 2 00:10:46 R i p Robbie Robertson.
Speaker 3 00:10:48 Yeah. R i p Robbie Robertsons real soon. But, uh, yeah, that, you know, the way they, they told stories and had a variety of different sounds and some, some songs were sort of, you know, more ballady, some were more folky, some were more, um, rocking funky mm-hmm. <affirmative>, you know, like kind of just like the, an assortment of American musicology all in one, all in one band. Always loved the way they did that. Yeah, there's a lot of, a lot of influences. I could definitely ream off a bunch more if I sat and thought about it. Yeah.
Speaker 2 00:11:22 You mentioned six. I'm kind of a sixties music nerd. I love that shit. Uh, is mm-hmm. You mentioned sixties folk. Is there like a particular band there that you like? Because I listen to that all the time.
Speaker 3 00:11:34 Yeah, I mean, Dylan for me was like a big inspiration, like his early stuff and, you know, just the power of, of that, the power of, of his, like live shows, like seeing some of those bootleg live shows, like the Halloween 19 64 1. Just like the way that, the way that he took, uh, don't think, I think it's, don't think Twice, it's All right. And like, like goes way up on the verses and like belting it. And I was like, I love the interpretation of his, the reinterpretation of his songs live. That, that, that kind of stuff always stuck with me. Um, yeah, I, I recently, I've been really into like, exam rock and a lot of like seventies, like music from from Africa that's like kind of rocking and like, uh, that's, you know, that's not, it's definitely not sixties folk, but like, um, you know, Richie Havens and stuff like that. Oh yeah. It sort of ble blended, blended some of the elements of, of African music and, and, uh, you know, American folk and yeah, I, I don't know, it's, uh,
Speaker 2 00:12:37 I
Speaker 3 00:12:37 Hear bits of, I'm trying to,
Speaker 2 00:12:38 I hear bits of Donovan in some of your stuff. I don't know if you know much of that. Yeah,
Speaker 3 00:12:42 Love. Yeah, love Donovan. Yeah, yeah. Yeah. He's, he's got some incredible, you know, creative production too on his, his stuff, you know, really colorful.
Speaker 2 00:12:50 Yeah,
Speaker 3 00:12:51 Really colorful stuff. Yeah, he's an incredible folk singer though. Just him with the guitar is incredible. Mm-hmm.
Speaker 2 00:12:55 <affirmative>. But, um, back to, uh, what I was gonna go on with the Metallica story, um, when you record it, I'm not sure how this works, this is just more of, I'm curious, um, when you recorded of Wolf and Man for the, um, album, was it, uh, your normal recording environment or did you have to go somewhere different to record it, or,
Speaker 3 00:13:19 This was, this was during the pandemic, so we, we actually recorded it in January of, of, uh, 2021. So yeah, we, we, we usually record our albums at home anyway, so, but the, this one we especially had to, and, uh, so we, the drummer and I got lived near each other on the West Coast, and we got together, we like took tests at the time and like got together to, you know, play, um, to just get the drum track down. So we got that down, those pieces, and then everyone sort of submitted, you know, the bass track came from New York from Chris and Pedal Steel came from Central Coast of California, Tascadero from Adam. Uh, and then Pat sent over his banjo and vocals and guitar and, um, yeah, it was, it was, uh, it was a, an amalgamation of things. And then getting, uh, well, our, our normal mix engineer who's done our first four records, uh, Scott McDowell like, came on board to mix that too.
Speaker 3 00:14:15 And so he mixed that from his house. And Jonathan Kirschner, who's done our mastering, did some like additional mixing and stuff to it, and then we just kind of turned it in. I was like, I hope they like it <laugh>. And they, they did, fortunately I was, I don't, I mean, I don't think that, even if they didn't, I don't think they would've said no to it or something. They, they kind of were like down for whatever people wanted to interpret it as. But, um, yeah. But yeah, send it in. And then they just, they had it had it ma uh, blackened recordings, the, their label, uh, had it mastered and ended up on there. But yeah, it was, I guess a familiar recording process, except we didn't, we didn't really get to like be together at all. We, which we're usually not, we do record separately, but usually we get to at least be together and play something once or feel out one part of it, what, you know, at the end of a tour on when we're sound checking a show or, um, but this one was, uh, just very much like, you know, texting demos to each other and sending wave files on Dropbox.
Speaker 2 00:15:17 Yeah. I've heard of like, texting demos and stuff. That's fairly normal, I think, nowadays, but, um, that's just kinda wild to me. Yeah. Like submitting your song to Metallica or their people that is Yeah. <laugh> and just like, alright, here it is. And then it's on the album. Like that, that's just crazy to me. The idea.
Speaker 3 00:15:35 Yeah, the idea that, I mean, a lot of people that recorded for that, like, went into proper studios and, um, you know, yeah. I mean, they, they like had these high, you know, high dollar sounding recordings and ours was like, recorded at home. Yeah. <laugh>, uh, you know, it's like, I was like, how is this gonna fit? But they're, they had, I mean, they had, uh, Giles Martin, uh, involved in like, the production of the whole thing, and they, they, he had the mastering engineer, like, make it fit somehow. I don't know. It, it's, it sounds loud and, and sort of blends in. I mean, we're right, we're right next to Idols, which is one of my, one of my favorite bands too, which is awesome. But it was like, they're, they're so fucking rocking. I was like, there's no way this is gonna <laugh> work. It's somehow it does. I mean, there's, we're completely different than theirs, but, but it works.
Speaker 2 00:16:22 That had to have been surreal being on that track list, just looking at that and seeing your name.
Speaker 3 00:16:28 Oh my God. Yeah, Jason Isabel. And like, that's, I heard Jason Isabel's one, uh, at work, uh, LA Lars came in and, and was like, you've gotta hear this. Like, he's like, Hey. He, like, he played it like, out of his phone. He was like, you gotta, like, I was like, this is so fucking cool. That's sweet. This sad, but true on there is, it's, it's just like, yeah, he made it like a barn burning country southern rock thing is, I mean, it's, you know, really good, just straight up interpretation of it, like thinking about it like in a 12 bar type of layout. I mean, yeah, it was, it was amazing. But yeah, they, they were super stoked about what everyone was turning in, just like all kinds of things. And, uh, we're, yeah, they were really excited about that project. I, I, I'm still really honored and stoked. They even, you know, invited us. Yeah,
Speaker 2 00:17:16 That's sweet, man. I, because I, I listened to that when it first came out, and of course then I, I didn't, wasn't aware of who you guys were. So then when I discovered you guys, I'm like, no, shit. That's the <laugh>. I remember this song. <laugh>
Speaker 3 00:17:28 Yeah, you go.
Speaker 2 00:17:29 But, um, yeah,
Speaker 3 00:17:30 Let's
Speaker 2 00:17:31 Go back to, uh, uh, you're writing yourself. So like, when you write for Goodnight Texas, is it a group effort? Is it more just you or a certain person?
Speaker 3 00:17:42 Patrick and I usually write songs separately and like bring them to the table, you know, anywhere from like 50% to 90% formed, and then we'll, uh, you know, kind of finish it off together. And then there's, there's been some recently where we've been, you know, experimenting more with like, bringing it, you know, really to, you know, all four guys or drummer Scott and Bass player Chris, and being like, let's, you know, let's sit in a, we'll send demos to you guys and let's get together and like, work this out in a room and make like a demo of us playing it, and then work on that, and then go in the studio and do it kind of, I guess, like more normal bands do it. A lot of our stuff, you know, that we've released has been like, take one. You know, or like, it's how we heard it when we made it, and we produced over what we made in the demo process, and the demo became the, you know, like Maggie's Farm or wa wa was like our, our first album, uh, album gonna work on Maggie's farm forever, was I just, was kind of like laying down a demo of me playing guitar and singing it.
Speaker 3 00:18:45 And that is, that's it. We, like, pat played drums over it afterward, even though it's not to a click track. I don't know how he did, but <laugh>, um, and stuff like that, you just kind of make, you know, the first version work, which to me, sometimes that's like how you first envisioned it, and that's like the way it should be. But it's, it's cool too to do it this way and try to like, you know, develop it in a room together and make demos and then refine it and then go in and, uh, you know, lay it down. It's in like a, you know, legit studio, which we're working on some stuff now that we have something coming out, um, uh, next month that's, that we will be our, our first like big, you know, recorded in a fancy studio thing with, with a, with a special guest also,
Speaker 2 00:19:32 Uh, can
Speaker 3 00:19:33 More on that later.
Speaker 2 00:19:34 Oh, okay. Cool. I was about to say, what can you tell us about that, but don't give away anything. Um,
Speaker 3 00:19:38 Yeah, I don't think I can talk quite yet about it in full, but
Speaker 2 00:19:41 It's all good. Um, uh, so when you're talking about the recording process, you said earlier that you had a, uh, like a producer. Is he consistently doing your work, or is it change or? We, we,
Speaker 3 00:19:54 We kind of produce our own stuff. Okay. Like, Patrick and I sort of produce, um, our music. We, we've, yeah, we've talked about like getting with a producer. It's obviously very expensive and, and so, you know, we're not rolling a dough, so it's, you know, we, we really love doing it. And, and for me personally, like production and arranging and stuff is kind of what I love the most, almost about songwriting. So, you know, I, I love doing it this way, but we're definitely open to that idea and wanna work with someone, you know, in the future when the opportunity presents itself. Um, but yeah, for now it's just Patrick and I kind of, and, and really, I mean, you know, everyone kind of contributes elements. I mean, Scott has some, some great ideas, uh, you know, on, on drums that are, like, ways to shift things around and, you know, we'll kind of work together on that. But yeah, when, when we're, when we're getting down now into, like, with some new stuff that we got, like getting into the, you know, final overdubs part, like Pat and I will kind of figure out what's finish up the production.
Speaker 2 00:20:55 How long is, how long does that process usually take you on average?
Speaker 3 00:20:59 It depends. Mm-hmm. Um, definitely depends. Some, some things it's like super quick. The song we did, we did the song Tough with Rainbow Girls. Yeah. That was pretty quick. Like, I, I made it, I, I made that song and, um, recorded a demo of it, uh, and then sent it to Aaron, and then she was, she was into the idea. And so then I, we just, Scott came over, we recorded a drum track and, you know, I got the production elements in place so we could get her vocal on it. It was pretty, that went, went pretty quickly. Um, but sometimes we will sit with stuff for a little bit. Some, some things it's like, you know, or, uh, yeah, like our, our song Hurry Things Along. It came out a little bit ago, like that we recorded actually the drums and instruments, most of them to that like years ago.
Speaker 3 00:21:49 And it just was kind of sitting on the, like had we hadn't, hadn't finished it or it didn't, didn't have, uh, it was missing something. Uh, I think it ended up being like a baritone guitar and really just hearing it again, it was like, uh, I like this. So that, that took like five years, I guess. Uh, and then the song that was, its counterpart, it's Enough. It came out with, like those two songs kind of came out as a pair. Pat wrote, it's Enough, like, uh, he, he had this little riff for a while, but he very quickly was like, here's the song. He came over, uh, at some point, and we were sitting there, it was just kind of like, ah, it should be like, about a baseball player. Like, and he just like, improvd like, almost wrapped like the first two verses of it, just like, not like off the top of his head. It was like, that's brilliant <laugh>. So he just kind of went home, did it, recorded it, sent it to me, and I was like, oh, it's great. Like, yeah, uh, let me just, I'll do a mandolin and some harmonies, and then, yeah. I just put that out. That was super quick. So yeah, it, it can be all over the place. Uh, development wise,
Speaker 2 00:22:49 What do you all play? Like what instruments?
Speaker 3 00:22:52 I I tend to play, well, we both play guitar and banjo. Um, I tend to play mandolin. I'm like, mandolin has become more my main instrument. Okay. Um, uh, but I'd say songwriting wise, you know, there are mandolin songs and then there are guitar songs and even some banjo songs. We sort of, you know, those three instruments are kind of, and band of baritone guitar. Those are like our four instruments that we'd switch off using. Um, but yeah, I feel like, uh, hey, Patrick's leads, so Patrick is the lead singer on bank robbers nursery rhyme. Mm-hmm. <affirmative>, uh, for example. And so, and then I'll lead sing some, some songs where I lead sang on the, the Metallica cover. And so we're both the lead singers kind of in equal parts. And then, yeah, usually whoever, um, wrote the song to Star is the one singing it. And, uh, yeah. And then, so the instruments we pick from are a banjo, uh, acoustic guitar or electric guitar, and then, uh, a baritone guitar and then a mandolin. Um, so yeah, between those four, we,
Speaker 2 00:23:59 Yeah. So it's very much a group effort then, is what I'm getting from all that <laugh>.
Speaker 3 00:24:04 Yeah. It's, it's good. I think we have, we have different, uh, different sort of strengths mm-hmm. <affirmative>, uh, in different parts. And, um,
Speaker 2 00:24:12 That's what makes a good group though. Yeah. So,
Speaker 3 00:24:15 Yeah, I think so. Yeah.
Speaker 2 00:24:17 But, uh, let's talk about a newest single man. Tough, uh, you're, yeah. Uh, so you collabed with, uh, rainbow Girls.
Speaker 3 00:24:25 Yep.
Speaker 2 00:24:26 Um, I guess, uh, uh, how'd you connect with them, uh, to start to collab? Like, how'd that all happen?
Speaker 3 00:24:33 They, they've been friends of ours for a while. Uh, I mean, they live not far from where I live, maybe like an hour up in, like, they live up in Sonoma County on like a little ranch. But, um, yeah, they, I've all, I've always loved their voices. And Aaron and I used to sort of text demos of stuff and like little, uh, covers and things to each other. And then they, they host, they would host these things they call a, like a bean night. And, uh, that's where they just make a huge pot of beans and, and rice and just feed all their friends and <laugh>, and people just, it's like an open mic night. People take turns playing a song or, you know, telling a story or doing comedy or like, whatever. It's like variety hour. So fun goes super, you know, late at their house. But this was pre pandemic and they haven't really been able to do it since. Um, it's also, it also like, kind of, it got so popular amongst friends that, like, it was, I think it, it would be so crowded <laugh>, um, that just
Speaker 2 00:25:30 Be night over Zoom. There was,
Speaker 3 00:25:31 But there was some, there was some fun, uh, there was, yeah, a lot, some fun moments with that. And so we'd text covers to each other that maybe we'd try out playing together on one of those, those nights. And yeah, I always wanted to sing a song with her. And when I wrote, I wrote this song as a duet, and I was like, ah, I kind of, I want, I love Erin to sing it. Um, and, uh, I sent it to her and she fortunately liked it, and so, so did her band, and she's like, this should be like a band collab. I was like, yeah. And, uh, yeah. So that's, that's just kind of what it was. And she, she changed some words. I mean, I had written like some verses for her and she changed 'em around and wrote some, some new stuff and, okay. Um, yeah. But it was, uh, it was great. Stoked.
Speaker 2 00:26:15 Yeah. Yeah, man, it's a great song. Um, I loved doing when it came out. You, yeah. Um, so is, was there, you said you wrote it to begin with before she changed, like some of her stuff around, um, yeah. What, was there a certain story around it? Like in particular, like what may, what came about? I
Speaker 3 00:26:34 Know kind of, you know, a more generic take on like, just being, being on tour and your partner's at home. It's real hard. I mean, being, being, it's hard being the one away and it's hard being the one at home in different ways. Um, uh, and I think, you know, she and I both know that, you know, uh, from our, you know, relationships with our relationships with our partners. Like my, my, you know, my wife and I live here and California, she and her, her boyfriend is also in a band that tours a lot. Um, and so, yeah, we know <laugh> with the, uh, the ins and outs of, you know, difficulty, you know, finding time to get together on the phone or, you know, just the frustrations that get created. Um, so I think that's, it was just trying to kind of capture that in some ways.
Speaker 3 00:27:22 Yeah. And I kind of, I liked the idea too that, you know, I don't know, there's so many, there's so much, uh, or at least my idea of it from the beginning was like, there's, there's so many things where it's like, the guy's away and the, you know, woman's at home or something, and it's like, fuck, fuck that. It's, it's flip it around guys at home and making pancakes and, you know, the feeding the dog, you know, and girls out on tour. Uh, 'cause that's, you know, that's, that's, that's real for, especially for them. Uh, you know. Yeah. Yeah. I didn't, I didn't want it to be like, in any way, like, traditional gender rolled
Speaker 2 00:27:57 <laugh>. Yeah. Change it up a bit.
Speaker 3 00:27:59 Yeah.
Speaker 2 00:28:00 Awesome man. Um, so, uh, what, uh, what are we looking at with, uh, your touring? Because, well, first off, how does the touring work with you guys being We located so far apart?
Speaker 3 00:28:14 Yeah. We, we just kind of, we get a lot of miles. We fly, fly around two, two people kind of, you know, gotta fly pretty much everywhere we play. 'cause we got man, Patrick, Patrick now lives in New Jersey, and Chris is in New York City. And then Scott lives, uh, here in the Bay Area. And I live in the East Bay. And, uh, so we're, yeah, we have to kind of, two of us have to either go to the east coast or go to the west coast, and Patrick's got a set of gear out there. Um, I got a set of gear out here. The van lives here at my house, so when we do the East Coast, we'll take one of Patrick's cars and usually rent like a smaller sedan and take two cars. But we kind of make it work. There's like, we have certain things that are fly that are universal, like our pedal board for that connects our DI's for our instruments and stuff.
Speaker 3 00:29:00 Um, but yeah, it's, it's, uh, it's just been, it's been kind of fun to try to figure out how it can function. But yeah, we usually get together like the day before a tour, um, rehearse once if we can, which is not always the case. Yeah. Um, and then just go play. Uh, yeah. And so like in, in September we're gonna do that. We're gonna fly out to, we're gonna do some shows in Colorado, but we start the tour in Boise. So we're gonna take the equipment to Colorado, rehearse in Colorado for a day, fly to Boise, play Boise, then fly back to Colorado and kind of start the tour there and
Speaker 2 00:29:35 Man,
Speaker 3 00:29:35 So yeah. And then be out for a little bit. But yeah, it's, it works. It's, it just takes some logistics and it's kind of fun to figure it all out and Yeah.
Speaker 2 00:29:43 That's all part of it. You'll, you'll, you'll be happy about all the, the tough toughness now later on, I guess, when you're get all the experience behind you.
Speaker 3 00:29:53 Yeah.
Speaker 2 00:29:55 Um,
Speaker 3 00:29:56 Hope someday we can have someone help us <laugh>.
Speaker 2 00:29:58 Well, yeah.
Speaker 3 00:29:59 Book, book book flights or something. I mean, God, sitting and booking flights for people is Pat does, does the vast majority of that. And I, I, uh, I'm grateful. Uh, but it's, it's, it's a very endless task of, you know, is this, is this flight Okay? If you leave it this time? Like, ah, you actually, yeah. You know, like trying to coordinate people. It's like, oh man, I'm like, just book the flight, who, you know, tell him what he's, tell him what he's flying. And he's like, I don't ask him, but he's, he's so patient and, uh, he, he's been handling that and Yeah. A lot of logistics. Yeah.
Speaker 2 00:30:30 The flights are tough enough when you're just doing like a one shot trip. Like, I can't handle it. Yeah. I hate flying in general
Speaker 3 00:30:37 For yourself. Yeah. And much less other, other folks and Yeah. Yeah.
Speaker 2 00:30:41 That's ridiculous. I have no patience for airports. <laugh>.
Speaker 3 00:30:45 Yeah. For crying out loud. Yeah.
Speaker 2 00:30:47 But, uh, what are your tour date like? How many dates do you have on like, one trip? Like, how many dates do you usually do?
Speaker 3 00:30:53 Let's see. So like, so like in September we're out for like, I guess like, uh, a little over almost three weeks. Okay. Um, which we, we don't tend to go like super, like some bands go out for like a month and a half. Like we, we don't really like do that, or we haven't like had, um, we haven't in many years, pat has kids and I feel like we can, you know, be be intentional about how we do it. And if we were offered a tour that was super long, that made sense, I, we definitely would do it. But Sure. Uh, it's, you know, when when we have control over it, it's like, how do we do it in a way that keeps us sane and our families sane and avoid the tough scenario? Um, yeah. But yeah, for, uh, for too long. But yeah, so like in September, we're going out for like three weeks. We'll be in like Colorado, and then we're going out with, uh, Donovan Franken writer who's awesome. And Devin Alman. They're doing, like, they're playing all 50 states, uh, in 50 days or under 50 days. Um, so they're gonna, they were gonna break a world record. The, the Guinness record, they've applied to break it. And, um, but yeah, so they're out right now. They already started. And we're gonna join 'em at like day 36 or something like that towards the end. Well, there you
Speaker 2 00:32:04 Go. Be part of a record. That'd be sweet. Yeah.
Speaker 3 00:32:06 Yeah. We won't get the record. They will, but we'll be part of the story. I guess
Speaker 2 00:32:09 It'll be part of the story. <laugh>,
Speaker 3 00:32:11 I thought about it for a minute. When they, when we, they were, uh, offering us, you know, some of the dates on the tour, I was like, oh, should we pitch that? We're gonna do the whole thing. And, uh, it was a unanimous no from the rest of the guys in the band. And I, the more I thought about it, I was like, man, that's insane. 50 shows straight nuts. Like, I can't s I, I wouldn't be able to sing that. I don't think, uh, my throat would be gone <laugh>. I, but I just, it would be nuts. It would be nuts. So they're, yeah, they're really doing an endurance challenge with this. Yeah.
Speaker 2 00:32:37 Well, good luck to
Speaker 3 00:32:38 'em. And also, the other thing is true, they, they have, they, they're on a bus so they can, you know, sleep at night while they're traveling. Like for these tour dates we're doing with them, even we gotta drive our own van. So there's some of the shows, like, we play Salt Lake City, and then we play Santa Fe the next night. Yeah. Like, that's like 11, 11 hours or 12 hours or something. Like, we're gonna have to, you know, play Salt Lake and then like, when we're done playing, sell some merch and pack up and drive three hours to try to make it in time for the next show. So yeah, that's, I think it would not be possible to follow them in a van. Um, yeah.
Speaker 2 00:33:11 You're already doing more than enough <laugh>.
Speaker 3 00:33:13 Yeah, we, yeah, we're doing plenty. But yeah, usually, you know, if we have a festival on one end and, you know, we'll, we'll start it somewhere that makes sense. Between routing, between two festivals or two things. And so that's what we're doing in September and in October. And, uh, yeah.
Speaker 2 00:33:29 Awesome.
Speaker 3 00:33:29 Where are you based? Uh,
Speaker 2 00:33:31 So Ray's Rowdy is based in Nashville. Um, okay. That's where the boss band lives and all, like, most of the people involved, I'm actually in Cincinnati, uh, cool. Ohio. Okay. So I do everything from here on my part. So the podcast, I do all the write-ups and stuff. Um, try to make it work. Great. Do
Speaker 3 00:33:53 You live on the Ohio side or,
Speaker 2 00:33:55 Uh, Kentucky. Kentucky side.
Speaker 3 00:33:56 You live in Kentucky guys? Yeah, I have some friends in Ludlow.
Speaker 2 00:34:00 Oh, shut up. That's like, yeah, that's probably like 10 minutes away over there. That's 10 minutes away from me.
Speaker 3 00:34:06 Yeah, man, we had a lot of fun there. I've, I've liked hanging down there, dude. Just a local, local band there. The Harmed Brothers.
Speaker 2 00:34:12 Okay. They're
Speaker 3 00:34:13 Friends of ours. You should look 'em up. I know he one of 'em, uh, just had a, had a, a daughter, so they've been kind of slow for the moment, but, uh, great. But great band. They're, yeah, they're based there. And they always say Cincinnati, but they're from the Kentucky side. Yeah. So,
Speaker 2 00:34:30 Yeah, like, I'm technically from Erlanger, which is like 15 minutes from Cincinnati. You're right. That's how it works.
Speaker 3 00:34:37 Oh, cool. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah. It's just easier, I guess to say Cincinnati, but, but it's so diff but like, it's so different though. Like Ohio, Kentucky, it's right there, but like, it's, you know, it's like,
Speaker 2 00:34:48 It's unique
Speaker 3 00:34:49 If you, if you're the Yeah.
Speaker 2 00:34:51 It's like crossing a portal when you go across that bridge. Like, it's kind of, for me personally, I hate going to Cincinnati, beautiful city. I love the Bengals, I love the Reds, but crossing that bridge, like my adrenalin and anxiety just goes up. 'cause I don't know what it is. It's, I don't know if it's just the city. I'm not used to it, but <laugh>, I dunno. Some people love it. Yeah. I'm not a big fan, but you got to, there you go.
Speaker 3 00:35:15 Yeah. Okay. I've, uh, we've had some good times in Cincinnati proper and, and Kentucky. What's the, what's the Southgate House? Newport? Is that Newport? Yeah. Yeah.
Speaker 2 00:35:25 Uh,
Speaker 3 00:35:25 That's right. We played there once. Oh,
Speaker 2 00:35:27 Right on. Yeah. I know. I should go there a lot more. I've only been there once to see a Jeremy Pinnell and Arlo McKinley. Um hmm. Well, Jeremy Fennell. Arlan McKinley was like the special guest, but, um, yeah. That's a great venue. The old church.
Speaker 3 00:35:44 Yeah. Yeah. That's great. Yeah. Really cool spot. Yeah, dude, I love it there. Well, if we come through, we'll, we'll
Speaker 2 00:35:50 Hit me up, have
Speaker 3 00:35:50 A list and
Speaker 2 00:35:52 For sure. But, um, yeah, I was actually gonna ask you, uh, before, um, do you, is this is your main project is Goodnight Texas, but do you have, do you do any kind of solo work or anything separate?
Speaker 3 00:36:06 Yeah, I've, I've done some solo records and I, I play, I play solo occasionally. I, I don't think I prioritize it, but I love doing, working on it and doing, um, doing stuff like that. I, I did an album not too long ago called Hindsight that I recorded entirely, like on my phone in the Pandemic, like on in GarageBand. Oh, wow. Like mixed it in GarageBand. Uh, it turned, it turned out cool. I'm really proud of it. And, um, but yeah, so I try to do, do some of that, uh, when I can, but I definitely prioritize Goodnight Texas.
Speaker 2 00:36:36 Yeah, for sure. Yeah, it just always, I love asking that the guys who are like, like, no matter if they're like a front man or what in the band, it's like, it's always interesting. 'cause I feel like a lot of 'em, if not most of them, they do solo stuff, just no one knows about it because, you know, they're focused on that. Um, but yeah. Yeah. Awesome man. Yeah,
Speaker 3 00:36:56 It's, it's, uh, it can be, it can be hard to fit in and I think it's like at some point, you know, maybe I'll put a little more time into it, you know, in between things or, but, uh, for now, yeah, it's, you know, I know my priority's Goodnight Texas, but, and trying to make that successful as possible, but, you know, you kind of need to have a little space to do some different stuff now and again, uh, to kind of make the whole thing work.
Speaker 2 00:37:20 Well, of course, <laugh>. Um, uh, so, uh, I guess what do you, what, what do you have, uh, you mentioned an album coming up, potentially. Uh, you wanna
Speaker 3 00:37:30 Yeah, I'm working on new stuff.
Speaker 2 00:37:32 Yeah. If you have any new, got new stuff, upcoming stuff you wanna singles talk about.
Speaker 3 00:37:36 Yeah. We'll, uh, well, I'll update you when, whenever we're, we can talk about the, the next thing we got coming. But yeah, there's, we're working on a new record right now and got some singles coming up and yeah, I think that's next year should be pretty busy as far as that's, uh, that's, that stuff's concerned. So yeah, I think, think stay in tuned and we're definitely doing a lot of touring coming up, uh, in September and October and Little in November. Um, yeah, we'll be, we'll be all over the place. I think we're doing, we're playing in Nash. We're not playing, we're not playing in Cincinnati. We're playing in like Nashville and, uh, Atlanta and, uh, Asheville in the south. And, um, uh, October. Then we're doing like a c l October and Austin.
Speaker 2 00:38:23 Okay.
Speaker 3 00:38:24 Various, various things. And then the Southwest with, with uh, um, and the, and the Northwest with, uh, Donovan Franken Rader and, uh, Devvin Allman. Yeah,
Speaker 2 00:38:38 Right on. Yeah. When you're in Nashville, uh, hit me up or, and I'll get some, uh, the raise rowdy guys out there, the
Speaker 3 00:38:46 Function. Cool. Yeah. Love to have 'em. Get a, see what you think. Write a, write a review or something. That'd be awesome. Absolutely. It's hard to get, it's hard to get live concert reviews these days. I don't think, man, it's not as common of a thing. I'm very, but it's like, also you don't wanna like bad mouth anyone's concert. Like it's gonna, you know,
Speaker 2 00:39:01 So the way I see it when it comes to just reviews in general, if I'm don't like something, I'm just not gonna write about it. 'cause I put that negative energy out there.
Speaker 3 00:39:11 That's the think that's a good policy. Yeah.
Speaker 2 00:39:13 Yeah. But with the live reviews, I would love to do 'em, it just, when I get there, I just pay, I just can't pay attention to like, taking notes and stuff, so,
Speaker 3 00:39:22 Ah, yeah.
Speaker 2 00:39:23 Yeah. You know what I mean? But like that would
Speaker 3 00:39:25 Yeah. You gotta have your phone out writing shit down or Yeah.
Speaker 2 00:39:28 Yeah. I would like to try that sometime though. But I feel like I'm like the worst candidate for that. 'cause I usually get there. It's like I'm just zoned in, or of course having a few drinks, you know, you're not really thinking about taking notes. Yeah. But
Speaker 3 00:39:41 <laugh> Yeah.
Speaker 2 00:39:43 But, um, yeah, for sure. But anyway, man, uh, thank you so much for helping
Speaker 3 00:39:47 All Yeah, thanks for having me. Yeah. So this, this will end up being like a podcast.
Speaker 2 00:39:51 Yeah, this is a podcast episode. Unfortunately, we don't have the, uh, video set up, but the Cool, yeah. The audio and everything. Yeah. We'll, we'll have it released. I'm not,
Speaker 3 00:40:00 I'm, I'm not much to look at, so,
Speaker 2 00:40:02 Well, me, me or my man. That's what, but uh, we, uh, it comes out on Apple and Spotify and, you know, I'll tag you and the band and everything once it comes out. But yeah,
Speaker 3 00:40:13 By all means.
Speaker 2 00:40:14 Yeah. Before we leave though, uh, do you have any other, I know you talked a lot about your shows already and upcoming music, but is there anything like social media, any particular thing you wanna plug for everyone listening?
Speaker 3 00:40:25 Uh, I guess just follow us on the gram. Yep. Instagram. That's probably where we, where we are the most. We're trying to do TikTok more, but <laugh> a little outta my, uh, outta my element.
Speaker 2 00:40:36 I think that's everybody
Speaker 3 00:40:37 How to do it, how to do it, how to do it right. I dunno. Yeah. Hope my dog's barking.
Speaker 2 00:40:42 That's all right.
Speaker 3 00:40:42 But, uh, but, uh, Ali, no
Speaker 2 00:40:48 <laugh>
Speaker 3 00:40:50 Yeah. Can end it on that note. <laugh>,
Speaker 2 00:40:53 But, uh, <laugh>. But, uh, thank you Avi, man, I appreciate you hop on.
Speaker 3 00:40:58 Yeah, thanks for, thanks for having me. Good. Good to talk to you. Nice to meet you. Yeah. Uh,
Speaker 2 00:41:01 One thing I sign off here, stay on for a second. Make sure we just got everything settled, then we'll get on outta here. All right. Alright, so, uh, thanks everyone for listening. Uh, this is Sam here with Avi, uh, with Goodnight Texas. And y'all have a good one
Speaker 4 00:41:19 And do some.
